Hayden Weir

am I slow? Did all of you know it was hayden that was first filming in Tailgate party? So Becca obviously saw him there with all of them, and they all obviously knew each other well. I thought Hayden was just an older guy that had to do with the garage and was "older" etc... now it seems he is as much a part of the group as any of them.... Accept Mel. Mel doesnt know any of them accept brother Travis and girlfriend Sage. So if travis is filming Mel attacking Hayden about being the stalker does travis know hayden? Travis wasnt in the "tailgate" clip. What ties hayden and travis together? so they are either in cahoots together not letting mel know they know each other, or they dont and therefor are not together in the kidnapping. AAAnd if hayden was part of the giving pee to tommy why would tommy hook up with hayden for all this? omg can anyone help unbefuddle me?

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am I slow? Did all of you know it was hayden that was first filming in Tailgate party? So Becca obviously saw him there with all of them, and they all obviously knew each other well. I thought Hayden was just an older guy that had to do with the garage and was "older" etc... now it seems he is as much a part of the group as any of them.... Accept Mel. Mel doesnt know any of them accept brother Travis and girlfriend Sage. So if travis is filming Mel attacking Hayden about being the stalker does travis know hayden? Travis wasnt in the "tailgate" clip. What ties hayden and travis together? so they are either in cahoots together not letting mel know they know each other, or they dont and therefor are not together in the kidnapping. AAAnd if hayden was part of the giving pee to tommy why would tommy hook up with hayden for all this? omg can anyone help unbefuddle me?

That was Travis in the video, not Hayden. He was filming and then gave the camera to Curtis while Rick was filling the bottle for Tommy

Edited by MikeShinobi on 11/24/2007 at 09:02 CST

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am I slow? Did all of you know it was hayden that was first filming in Tailgate party? So Becca obviously saw him there with all of them, and they all obviously knew each other well. I thought Hayden was just an older guy that had to do with the garage and was "older" etc... now it seems he is as much a part of the group as any of them.... Accept Mel. Mel doesnt know any of them accept brother Travis and girlfriend Sage. So if travis is filming Mel attacking Hayden about being the stalker does travis know hayden? Travis wasnt in the "tailgate" clip. What ties hayden and travis together? so they are either in cahoots together not letting mel know they know each other, or they dont and therefor are not together in the kidnapping. AAAnd if hayden was part of the giving pee to tommy why would tommy hook up with hayden for all this? omg can anyone help unbefuddle me?

That was Travis in the video, not Hayden. He was filming and then gave the camera to Curtis while Rick was filling the bottle for TommyEdited by MikeShinobi on 11/24/2007 at 09:02 CST

watch again as will i, but i swear he said "hayden lemme have the camera" goin to watch it again! thats the only reason i knew, I heard him say that, otherwise i am still tryin to figure out thier perspective faces.Yup just listened five more times ok the guy in the light shirt that calls tommy over says "ya cmon hayden can film this? allright? can i get this, this is gonna be great" then what must be hayden says "yeah just be careful with it"Also point of interest is tommy and becca "cuddling" just as the guy in the light shirt with sunglasses calls tommy over? that would make the theory of tommy and hayden being the unknown fathers? or at least 2 of the unknowns? we cant rule out that there were possibly more. Also if not cuddling they are talking very very close, and then she protects him from the guys callin them names when she smells the urine...Edited by kallykat2006 on 11/24/2007 at 10:40 CST

Listen closely... curtis is saying "hey, can I film this? this is gonna be brilliant" and then takes the camera. it then shows the legs of the person filming as the camera is passed to curtis, and then comes back to him after Becca gives the beer bottle back to rick

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mike, listened closely again and again sounds like i thought haden can i film this this is gonna be brilliant... and if it isnt that, then who is holding the camera that he wants to use??? it shows only a small bit of him can u see? so my theory of what it says and my ears seem to hold up at least to me, so if u can tell me who the original cameraman is i still believe it to be hayden and him askin hayden to film that part..... correct me and prove it plz /smilealso why would he say "hey then let me film this" versus "haydon let me film this"????Edited by kallykat2006 on 11/25/2007 at 02:45 CST

ok watch the other set of feet when the camera goes down. first it shows curtis's feet and then another set of legs wearing shorts, then a shirt, but not the face. But after tommy runs off and becca pushes the bottle on rick, it shows the person again and it's travis. and they show him pretty much for the rest of the video.

It is obvious that Travis is the one who is doing it.

Maybe Hayden was originally involved, but I think that Travis has went alittle far. He is always saying his sister has problems but i think he is the one with the problems.

My vote is on Travis he is the one who kidnapped them all.